Ep. 103 – Red teaming with Cats, Cheese, and Drones // Brent White & Tim Roberts

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In this episode, James sits down with Brent White and Tim Roberts, senior principal security consultants and covert entry specialists at Dark Wolf Solutions. They trace a remarkable journey together from teenage hijinks exploring phone phreaking, bump keys and IRC channels in the early 90s to running full-spectrum physical red team operations against some of the most secure government facilities in the world.

Along the way they share the lessons and common mistakes for anyone entering the field, drawn from years of hard-won experience, alongside some unforgettable stories. That includes a creative attempt to infiltrate a facility using a stray cat, the covert card-cloning clipboard they use to lift staff RFID badges in plain sight, and the unique challenge of explaining "weaponized cat" in a report destined for high-ranking officials. They also open up about their quieter work, volunteering to help law enforcement disrupt human trafficking rings and online predators, something they have been doing since they were teenagers.